Dean and DFA are first. Any DLCer is last

1. Susan, that's right.

And anyone thwarting the Democratic process by telling a candidate to get out of the election to make way for another, or who refused to hold a recount on an election that faced extreme computer malfunctions that showed almost every single vote on ES&S voting for Bush(in a Democratic area), but most absentee ballots cast (because lines were too long) was for Kerry. And when a recount would have been paid independently, he doubled the cost of a recount.

33.

Tom Bearse


Tom, what can I say, maybe they're polling the same people that still believed for how many years that Iraq had something to do with 9 11.

puddles, i was including those regular people in my assessment also.

fred, slippery slope, dangerous territory, imho.

I will thank Governor Richardson for saying we don't need to or should keep forces in Iraq.

Thanks, DFA, for getting the candidates to come here with their views. For those of us in late primary states, it's pretty much all we will see of them!  I have no problem with getting emails alerting me to this.

It would be great if they or even a campaign staffer would come to blog here.

Gov. Richardson, thanks for your strong statements on Iraq. You know we'll hold you to it! Please speak as boldly elsewhere to prove you mean it. It looks like the next Democratic President will have to take strong action.

And the emphasis on diplomacy while we also get out is a breath of fresh air. Let's stop the upcoming war against Iran as well.

Linda wrote "Tom, what can I say, maybe they're polling the same people that still believed for how many years that Iraq had something to do with 9 11."

Well at least we solved that mystery.  Are they polling any of the people who will be voting in the nominating primaries?

to be clear, that should have read, "don't need to or should not keep forces in Iraq".

7.

LOL

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/20...

D.C. CONFIDENTIAL
Pro-Union Hillary Harbors Labor Foes

DISORGANIZED Clinton speaks to the Communication Workers of America

As Hillary Clinton bashed corporate America for union-busting this week at a Washington convention of labor-schmoozing Democratic politicians, her chief campaign strategist and pollster, Mark Penn, must've been grinning at the rich irony. He's the Worldwide President and CEO for Burson-Marsteller, an international PR conglomerate known for, well, busting unions, The American Prospect's Mark Schmitt notes.

Beware the Evil Labor Bosses, Burson-Marsteller's website warns. "Companies cannot be caught unprepared by Organized Labor's coordinated campaigns."

There's more where Penn came from, and they're not just limited to the Hillary campaign. Russ Baker exposes the little-talked about dark side of the Democratic Party with a long list of paid Democratic campaign consultants who simultaneously shill for union-busters, tobacco-peddlers, and other assorted underworld characters.

Then there's the lawfirm Jackson Lewis, full of some of the nation's best known union-busting mercenaries. Way back in 1972, the firm's partner William Krupman published an entire union avoidance handbook, a tome experts call "the best-known guide to defeating organizing campaigns." And wouldn't you know it—the same William Krupman is an official Friend of Hillary Clinton, forking over a fat $1,000 check for her campaign.

At least Hillary waited 14 years after leaving her seat on the board of Wal-Mart—one of labor's biggest foes—before cracking on corporate America.

By David Sirota 03/30/07 8:31 AM
File Under: Hillary Clinton, Mark Penn

Non-political types don't vote in caucuses.

A few more do so in primaries, but *caucuses* draw the hardcore activists--who aren't DLC-types, by a longshot (she'll probably draw Rethugs, who can register same day as a Dem. in open caucus states).

 We have very progressive absentee voter laws (vote 5-6 weeks in advance), so I'm guesstimating that will indeed occur--people don't need to be in attendance to vote @our caucuses.

Maine has open same-day registrations @caucus. The RNC is licking its chops for Billary, in many respects--they're more strategic than are Dems.; and they beat us on the ground every time (Dems are too busy wasting time in neverending "meetings" & useless phone banking people to freakin' death).

The Dem. base here (I'm on the local & county committees--plus, an activist) does NOT support her.  Enough is enough w/the triangulated DLC Clintons. She'll murder our ticket (esp. @the state legislature level, & Gubernatorial). Nada.  Ain't gonna happen.

Any fool who's already online is quite capable of visiting any Prez. candidate's portal within seconds on Google, HQ.

Stop spamming people's inboxes to death--it's unethical; as well as infantilizing.

African American women face the intersections of race AND sex discrimination all of the time; and are substantially poorer (read the stats per state, folks).  That's why we see the CBC female members (Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Barbara Lee, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, etc.) as progressive Dems.--they "get it." 

Obama & Hillary better watch what they say about poverty & welfare deform, that's all I can say (Billary & Big Dog ruined the lives of millions of women of color & their families w/triangulated TANF b/s).

It's still slavery, but it's corporate in nature (perping free labor off the backs of poor women--primarily, of Hispanic and AA ancestry--as well as poor "white trash"--esp. in the Deep South). Georgia's slashing of SCHIP eligibility is a prime example of systemtic institutionalized racism.

They face sex discrimination within the AA community all of the time from their males (high rates of DV, rape, lack of affordability to birth control and abortions,  & lack of child support payments, etc.)--that's why they're typically more opposed to marriage...it's just one more mouth to feed/scarce resources, etc.

Maine's Pres. of the Senate, Beth Edmonds (a "good Dem" ) has introduced MaineCare covering abortions...I'm on her activist list, for sure!

LD#1309

Talk about overt *hostility*--it's bringing the sexists and the right-wing nutjobs out of the woodwork!

Watching Beth swing that gavel is as much of a thrill, as was watching Boxer last week.

Will be ordering some snarky pro-choice stuff from jc, for sure--too many choice, is my only beef!

April 26th is rally day.

Breaking News from Riad, Creation for Arab Nuclear Center.

Oh, how nice. Good goin' Bush. How are your steps making us safer?



Bush=Disaster

Since when is anyone who's online incapable of visiting Richardson's portal on their own time, Steve? ...or that of any other candidate.

I don't consider you to be a Neo-Luddite...the incessant spamming of my inbox by HQ is more than you wanna hear about.

I'm "the Decider," thanks.  If I want to opt-in to a candidate's spamming of my inbox, I'll do so (sans any 'suggestions' from HQ).

How infantilizing. Like Linda, there's nothing wrong w/my long-term memory recall, re: Richardson's slimy crap during the '04 debacle (he's a hack).

(from previous thread)
42. linda b
Fri, 03/30/07
12:37 pm
NOW RICHARDSON IS TALKING TO DFA.

WISH HE HADN'T STOPPED THE IMPEACHMENT VOTE IN THE NM SENATE.
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he did that? why would he do that? and since when can a governor stop a state's move toward impeachment? is that even constitutional?

And the emphasis on diplomacy while we also get out is a breath of fresh air. Let's stop the upcoming war against Iran as well.

indy, that is what Webb wants to but u hammered him the other day. why the change????

Webb has voted with the Dems on this past bill and he and Hagel had an ammendment to make sure the troops are well equipped and trained.

gulp.

he did that? why would he do that? and since when can a governor stop a state's move toward impeachment? is that even constitutional?

I believe Linda in NM was involved with that in the state senate. I believe she said that richardson influenced to halt of the vote after it passed 2 or 3 committees.

I appreciate the candidates for talking to dfa but why is it posted at kos before the dfa blog?

Charles?

FEC quarterly deadline, folks...these hacks are all pathetic.

<yawn>  The silence & refusal to click-through should be revealing.

Breaking News from Riad, Creation for Arab Nuclear Center.

linda, do u have a link? gee, wonder if they are gonna invade saudi arabia?

this has got to stop.

10. Susan Rowe
Fri, 03/30/07
1:30 pm

the david sirota piece Susan cites above has a link to this discussion of Dem/DLC consultants who are making life easier still for the corporate rich:

http://realnews.org/rn/content/25demcons...

with a very long & detailed list.

ugh

but the report ends on a positive note. :-)

Gore/Dean in 08

16. linda b
Fri, 03/30/07
1:40 pm

i just don't get why so many dems consider impeachment radioactive. have they READ the constitution lately?

jean, I have no idea. it is "natural progression" as I see it.

I am waiting for bush to get on tv this weekend and say I AM HOLDING MY BREATH TIL YOU GIVE ME THE MONEY FOR IRAQ. REALLY I AM, JUST WATCH ME. HERE I GO.

mainefem wrote "Non-political types don't vote in caucuses.  A few more do so in primaries, but *caucuses* draw the hardcore activists--who aren't DLC-types, by a longshot." 

This is a riveting theory, but it does less to explain Kerry's near sweep of the 2004 primary and caucus season than the candidate's campaign machine that lurched into action shortly before the Iowa caucuses convened and kept its foot on the gas. 

I appreciate the candidates for talking to dfa but why is it posted at kos before the dfa blog?

Because BFA's rankings are in Technorati's toilet, that's why.

Shoulda gone w/a Scoop blog 3 years ago, huh?

:::wink::::

Paste it into your Google toolbar, Linda B (should be Raid).

linda b, I just heard it on the Radio. Coming from the Arab meeting they've been having which is where the King made his statement about our illegal occupation in Iraq.


I like how a woman called in from Vermont to Bernie Sanders on the Thom Hartmann show this morning, about no onw want to go forward with the Impeachment. He was saying they have investigations going on for the first time in 6years and there is so much they have to work on, not to focus on Impeachment. Which we all know is not correct, because they should be able to chew gum, walk and possibly even bounce a ball-at the same time. But then he closed with, if we impeach George Bush, we end up with Dick Cheney as President.

linda b, here's a story.


HA!


Arab leaders plan talks on joint nuclear venture


Associated Press

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Arab leaders pushed ahead Thursday with plans to develop nuclear programs, even as they warned of a possible Middle East nuclear arms race created by their powerful rivals Israel and Iran.


On the final day of their annual summit, Arab League leaders said they would hold a high-level meeting this summer to review plans for an Arab nuclear industry.
Jordan's King Abdullah II called for the creation of a "Peaceful Arab Center for Using Nuclear Energy" to help "build our societies and modernize the realms of science, industry, agriculture and health."

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...

13.

To be fair, Mainefem, there are a lot of people who are willing to receive email but who won't be caught dead going online, using a browser and visiting a candidate's web page. Trust me. I have one in my house.
Browsing may not come naturally to humans. Many prefer to be fed. LOL

On the other hand, it may be a mistake to accuse people of racism whenever the beat on someone who's of another race. While the victims may take some perverse satisfaction from assuming that they are being victimized because of some characteristic or act of their own (motivated violence being, for some reason, preferable to random), defining behavior in terms of the target serves to distance the actor from his act.

So, I'm thinking that what we're really witnessing is "lordism." People want to lord it over someone and they don't really much care who. LORDISM is what we should identify and reject.
Sometimes it might be enough to mutter "lordy, lordy" and shrug off the effort with a shake of the head. The problem with these people is that they are just too full of themselves.

puddles, i was including those regular people in my assessment also.

fred, slippery slope, dangerous territory, imho.

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Not sure what you mean.  I was just making a point about a sector of voters' psychology - the "feel good" advantage of voting for a woman, as a "first."  Obama takes much of that advantage away from Hillary, because Obama is a "first" also.

I am not talking using this as a campaign strategy or rhetoric about it.

Thank you Bill Richardson for your stance on Iraq.

 Other than that - I believe you are even more a corporatist than Hillary Clinton. Not the corporatist that "Gentleman Fascist" Rudy Giuliani is, but not my cup of progressive tea.

And, as always, it is so very good to be here among friends.

27.

Talk about smoking the queen bee out. Should have taken advantage of the Central Asian Nuclear Weapons Free Zone extension into the Arabian Peninsula when it was offered.

I would be very proud to vote for the first woman or first black president.

That action would be difficult if it were Hillary Clinton - although I understand why my fellow NOW members have endorsed her. . . . . .somewhat less difficult if it were Barack Obama. Based on their prospective Rethuglican opponents - particularly Rudy "Gentleman Fascist" Giuliani and Fred Thompson - I would vote for either in a heartbeat.

.....African American women face the intersections of race AND sex discrimination all of the time; and are substantially poorer (read the stats per state, folks).  That's why we see the CBC female members (Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Barbara Lee, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, etc.) as progressive Dems.--they "get it." 

Obama & Hillary better watch what they say about poverty & welfare deform, that's all I can say (Billary & Big Dog ruined the lives of millions of women of color & their families w/triangulated TANF b/s).

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You got my vote there.  Billary can talk the talk but she and Bill took two steps back on welfare deform, turning it into a work program, and sending the hard case to Social Security, which means they need to win a hearing with an often right-wing judge to get anything.

Still - would have been much worse with a Republican prez.  So Bill wasn't that bad.  But from what i've heard so far Obama sounds better for minorities and women - not to mention trade and war.

03 28 2007
Bill Richardson Threatens 'Nuclear 9/11' & Al Gore's Life

http://wonkette.com/politics/bill-richar...

Is Dennis Kucinich slated to speak with we DFA members ?

Otherwise, you can find his positions on all the issues at www.Kucinich.us .

sKerry didn't win the caucus here--we had ZERO ads from HQ, BTW.

In the largest state in New England...not one effin' ad (-30 below temps.).

Not when you combine Dean & Kucinich votes...nada.

This was after the IA implosion, & immediately after NH's primary ('electability' was already a brushfire issue--too late); and it affected votes (sheeple in the Dem. party also like the hop on the bandwagon/sheeple approach).

Nothing...HQ had burned through kazillions & was fundraising for WI (which was another total disaster before it started).

I know more about caucuses than you do, Tom...ever organized one; or been a Victory Captain for a candidate?  I have.

Mine went fine, as the turnout wasn't horrific (42 folks)--no room for corruption--I had the caucus rules in my lap, and knew what to look out for.

Larger caucuses were run by machine hacks--crooked as hell; and w/no resultion @the state party's HQ--hence, the delegate selection plan 15% threshold change mandate by the 'roots for '08.

Elevator 9 Trial - Thursday April 12th at 9am at 421 Gold SW in Albuquerque
The Court House is at the corner of 5th & Gold, 1 block south of Central. Please come and bring your Peace and Antiwar signs - WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT!!!

Actually only 8 of us are going to trial, they dropped the charges against Jordan who was 15 at the time of the incident way back on September 26th, but Fr. John, Michella, Jan, Bruno, Sansi, Ellie, Philip and myself would really appreciate your attendance inside the courtroom and outside in front of the Courthouse. There is an article about our upcoming trial at www.freenewmexican.com/news/59049.html

The courtroom is small so people will have to rotate in and out with the people on the street protesting the war, and we need room for our own families, loved ones and witnesses. Please show respect for the proceedings when you are in the courtroom because unruly behavior would only reflect badly on the defendants and we are potentially looking at 30 days in jail.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON AND TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS & PEACE COMPATRIOTS TO JOIN US AND SAY NO TO THIS EVIL WAR!!!

 . . . . .somewhat less difficult if it were Barack Obama. Based on their prospective Rethuglican opponents - particularly Rudy "Gentleman Fascist" Giuliani and Fred Thompson - I would vote for either in a heartbeat.

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By "either" I assume you meant either Obama or Clinton.  Remember when Giuliano rejected a $5million dollar offer of help from Saudi Arabia' Prince, just because he made a comment about the Palestinian tribulation aggravating extremist tensions?

Obama's unifying and peacmaking talents would never allow him to be so obnoxious, and think of what an Israeli supporter with a moslem name and father would do for the peace process in the Holy Land (yes, we used to call it that.)  A big plus that has yet to be considered in the collective consciousness IMO

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_...

New Mexico lawmakers agree on HPV vaccine for girls

3/12/2007 4:24 PM
By: Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- A spokesman for New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson says the governor will sign a bill requiring sixth-grade girls to be vaccinated against a sexually transmitted virus that can cause cervical cancer.

The state House approved the legislation Sunday.

The spokesman calls it "an important anticancer vaccine" and says Richardson believes it's "imperative for all girls to be protected."

Texas is the only state to require the vaccine so far, but other states are considering it.

While federal regulators have approved the vaccine, the issue of making it a requirement for girls has created controversy.

The vaccine's maker, Merck, said last month that it would suspend a behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to get states to require it.

LMAO



Published: 30th March 2007 17:27 CET

Former American vice president Al Gore, along with EU Commissioner Margot Wallström, spoke about global warming on Friday in a discussion moderated by SVT host Henrik Ekman.

The event was held at Kulturhuset in Stockholm

Gore peppered his more serious warnings with tidbits of humour. “I fear I’m loosing my objectivity on Bush and Cheney,” he said. “So take whatever I say [about them] with a grain of salt.”

THANKS LINDA IN NM ( NOT OHIO OR CINCY BUT NM)

FOR THE LINK AND STORY. U BE THE BESTEST.

Fred: "Obama's unifying and peacmaking talents"



WHAT? WHAT? That is one thing I've never heard ANYONE EVER try to claim from B O.

Peacemaking skills? Mr. Condescending? Mr. Quick tongue to lash out at " the 'bloggers' that's who we call the liberals of the party", "[Dean] probably needs to be a little more careful and I suspect that is a message he is going to be getting from a number of us" and so many others, including the first girl asking her question at the Health care forum in Vegas. Peace making skills is not his forte AT ALL.

HR #4 (TANF reauthorization) goes into effect this fall...it's inhumane.

DLC beltway Dems. hardly whimpered (no longer an entitlement); as it was at its inception during the New Deal.

Childrearing isn't a "countable work activity."  It's farmed out to (soon to be) nutjob religious orgs (family formation, faith-based initiatives, & to "father's groups").  That's where those block grants are headed.

WTF:  MARRIAGE PROMOTION w/taxpayer dollars.  Yup.  Thanks, DLC Dems.

I have nothing positive to say about Billary or Big Dog--it's nothing short of institutionalized racism &  sexism (and progressive orgs benefit, as they're the folks who implement said human service programs)....they'd be out of work/on the other side of the desk w/o it.

'Workfare' farms out children to complete strangers, and uses the reproductive labor of women (esp. of color) to benefit corporate America...there's nothing empowering about it whatsoever...Hillary being on Sprawl-Mart's board screams volumes (they are subsidized by hiring those women, & receive corpotate economic development tax breaks, too--as well as perks included in the reauthorization for hiring those women).

Benefits?  Nah... "Prayer" will pay the bills.

As I said before--NOW's PAC is a redux of what factionalized the 70s feminist movement into smithereens...it was led by upper SES Euro-white borgeois women...same shit, different decade. They learned quickly from the working class, African Americans, Hispanics, and GLBTQ folks that it was unacceptable. In vast numbers.

Billary wants the 3rd waver college women (more grunt labor), who have no institutional memory...there's nothing wrong w/my memory, that's for sure.

Not a chance...I vote for *progressive* Dems. only (like Paul Wellstone...let's ressurect him from the dead, huh)?

Problem is...there's nobody yet in the running, so I'm sitting back, watching all of the tirangulating & bullshit ensue.

Not one of them deserve my support.

26. Linda*in*SFNM
Fri, 03/30/07
2:07 pm

I like how a woman called in from Vermont to Bernie Sanders on the Thom Hartmann show this morning, about no onw want to go forward with the Impeachment. He was saying they have investigations going on for the first time in 6years and there is so much they have to work on, not to focus on Impeachment. Which we all know is not correct, because they should be able to chew gum, walk and possibly even bounce a ball-at the same time. But then he closed with, if we impeach George Bush, we end up with Dick Cheney as President.
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well, apparently Bernie has NOT read the constitution lately. the idea is to impeach both Bush AND Cheney:

"Article II, Section 4

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

that just about sums up this administration

mainefem wrote "sKerry didn't win the caucus here."

Nevertheless, that makes Maine's caucus a little more of the exception rather than the norm.

I'm not impressed with the screen captures being chosen for our visiting candidates.  This reminds me of the days when all the shots in the media for Dean were angry, and I could go through the same videos and capture lots of wonderful smiles.

Bill Richardson is a long shot candidate that is getting a very good look in Iowa because he is so clear against the war, which makes him in synch with 95% of the likely caucus goers.

headline "Senate and House pass supplemental with deadlines"

the public: "What took you so long."

Well, I guess Jc, once they get one ugly picture the rest have to be ugly just to be fair. I have images turned off and so am spared. LOL

44.

Jean Wyant


Oh, you would have loved the lady. She was going to town with all the reasons...etc, when Thom H. cut her off to ask if she had a question..........then Bernie said "I know why she's calling".

I think Reed and listener and all the others have been voicing their wishes quite successfully. But yes, they aren't PENETRATING.

what makes going back so painful is that Howard Dean could have won Iowa.

mainefem,

Here are a couple of snarky choices...

LOL, Monica.  This one has to be even worse than the one they did of Obama.

Tom I just gave your survey methods a try with a non-activist, rank and file.

random sampling I asked the trucker delivering some springers whether he had started thinking about who he might back for President (knowing he is a Democrat from GOTV lists)

"a little bit"

who do you like?

"Edwards, maybe"

what about Hillary?

"no way"

and as rich would point out the statistical significance of a sample of one is zero

jc

when I download on dial up I get these little pieces before they are made into a file and they stop the video at random as related to expressions and I find myself thinking about how some of the captured expressions seem to belie the words but then when I replay (or I guess "play") the file the photogenic look comes through

they all look like hell after a few years in the White House anyway

Our local NPR radio is broadcasting the Capitol Steps April Fools show tomorrow Saturday at Noon. Believe it is taped so 'check your local listings'
http://www.capsteps.com/

It depends upon one's state, re: who will be the "deciders" in '08. Primaries & caucuses are still being frontloaded.

Makes you wanna storm the F&DA:

FDA says pet food poison may be in dry food, too - and didn't rule out human food
by ChristieKeith [Subscribe]

Fri Mar 30, 2007 at 08:53:54 AM PDT

I'm a contributing editor for Universal Press Syndicate's Pet Connection, a syndicated pet column appearing in around 70 newspapers nationwide. We've been covering the pet food recall story on our blog as well as our column.

I just got out of an FDA press conference, where a reporter asked the agency's Dr. Stephen Sundlof if people could be feeding unsafe food to their pets right now, because the FDA won’t reveal the name of another company - one that makes dry or "kibbled" food as well as "wet" pet food - that received wheat gluten from the same source Menu did.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/30/...

This is the link to Menu Foods -- doesn't talk about the dry kibble on the KOS diary linked at 57., but does list brands they supply and what was recalled. Also links to their press releases and appears up to date on those.

59. Sorry -- heres the link to Menu Foods
http://www.menufoods.com/recall/

54.  And some of them look like hell now.  LOL

50.

what makes going back so painful is that Howard Dean could have won Iowa.

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indeed, phil. i may never go to Iowa again (unless Gore needs me there).