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We're standing here in the wind outside of the University of New Mexico book store, barely keeping all the Dean lit down with rocks from the nearby construction. Page "Chemgirl" Sebring (Page in Albuquerque) and Tom of Foodies for Dean ("Tom and Meredith Hughes") are here signing people up.Here's Tom:
Zephyr and Ryan were so great with my native american students today at Isleta Pueblo south of ABQ. They took over the computer lab for a lesson on how they are using the internet for politidal organizing. The kids loved their first introduction to blogging. I sub teach there, when not doing Foodies for Dean with my wife ...we also run the Food Museum...which grew out of the Potato Museum.
Here's Page:
Yes, it's WINDY. And cool. And this is AMAZING! So far, we've talked to so many students, and they're all very interested in learning more about Howard. This has made my day (which started with a horrible exam). At least I know that I'll have a job when I graduate, because Dean will be president!
Here's Ryan:
Page Rocks!!! She has promised to table every Friday, so keep her honest-- go by UNM every Friday and say "Hello."
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Join us on the Drive for Democracy. Were looking for help planning open events to meet with grassroots organizers every place I write TBD, that stands for the remarkable David Welch is working on it please email David at dwelch@deanforamerica.com if you have a suggestion or are willing to plan an event.
Here's the current schedule for the next week:
Nov. 7
1:00- 3:00 PM Flyering & Tabling at University of New Mexico Campus
7:00 PM Potluck with local organizers at 7 PM,
Nov. 8
10:00 AM 2:00 PM Flyering Festival
3:00 PM Opening of Santa Fe Office
November 9
4:00 - 6:00 PM Flyering in Amarillo on Route 66 (If you live near Amarillo, and have ideas, please contact dwelch@deanforamerica.com). Thanks!
Monday, November 10
4:30 PM Coffee Shop Oklahoma City (look out for event on Get Local)
8:30 PM the Mont Classen & Boyd, Norman, Oklahoma
Tuesday, November 11
9 AM Classroom
12:30 AM Oklahoma City 1.5 Hours, Young Democrat Meeting at OSU
7 9 PM ET Stillwater (TBD)
November 12
Tulsa (TBD)
November 13
Little Rock (TBD)
November 14
11-4 Memphis
7-9 Jackson, MS (TBD)
November 15
Governor Dean Birthday Bash House Party in New Orleans
Join a Birthday Bash House Party here!
http://www.deanforamerica.com/dbb
For a complete schedule, click here.
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From Roll Call... please, Gov. Dean, jump on this issue!!!
Rage erupts over profiteering clause
Iraq supplemental justified, says GOP
By Klaus Marre
A decision by the House Republicans to strip the Iraq supplemental bill of an anti-profiteering provision has outraged the Democrats.
Some Democrats have accused the White House of pulling the strings on the effort to nix the language.
The White House and House GOP leadership didnt want [the provision] in there, charged Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), an author of the language.
The provision included during the Senate Appropriations Committee markup with unanimous support but removed in conference would have subjected those who deliberately defrauded the United States or Iraq to jail terms of up to 20 years and costly fines.
Leahy said that, privately, some Republicans told him they though it was a good provision.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), another author of the profiteering provision, called it shocking that it was taken out. Why? Feinstein asked. It was a good amendment.
A Senate Democratic aide said, Several House Republican conferees were clearly empathetic, but they had to look to a higher authority. That higher authority was the White House, which had sent the marching order to strip this from the bill.
Another Democratic aide said that the White House got to House Republicans. The aide pointed to Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenners (R-Wis.) support for the provision the lawmaker chairs the authorizing committee but was not a member of the conference and the unwillingness of House Republicans to compromise on the language as evidence that the top White House staff may have given the marching orders.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), at a Monday hearing of the Democratic Policy Committee, claimed that it does not look as if the White House wanted any oversight on reconstruction efforts in Iraq.
*snip*
Rage erupts over profiteering clause
Iraq supplemental justified, says GOP
By Klaus Marre
A decision by the House Republicans to strip the Iraq supplemental bill of an anti-profiteering provision has outraged the Democrats.
Some Democrats have accused the White House of pulling the strings on the effort to nix the language.
The White House and House GOP leadership didnt want [the provision] in there, charged Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), an author of the language.
The provision included during the Senate Appropriations Committee markup with unanimous support but removed in conference would have subjected those who deliberately defrauded the United States or Iraq to jail terms of up to 20 years and costly fines.
Leahy said that, privately, some Republicans told him they though it was a good provision.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), another author of the profiteering provision, called it shocking that it was taken out. Why? Feinstein asked. It was a good amendment.
A Senate Democratic aide said, Several House Republican conferees were clearly empathetic, but they had to look to a higher authority. That higher authority was the White House, which had sent the marching order to strip this from the bill.
Another Democratic aide said that the White House got to House Republicans. The aide pointed to Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenners (R-Wis.) support for the provision the lawmaker chairs the authorizing committee but was not a member of the conference and the unwillingness of House Republicans to compromise on the language as evidence that the top White House staff may have given the marching orders.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), at a Monday hearing of the Democratic Policy Committee, claimed that it does not look as if the White House wanted any oversight on reconstruction efforts in Iraq.
*snip*
A while back someone mentioned Dean DVD's that they were making and selling for about a $1. Does anyone remember this or have more info on it? Was it for real? At our last meet-up a local shopowner showed up and he wants to sell them at cost in his store. We thought this would be great for local publicity . . .
Hey Zephyr et al-
You guys should definitely stop by Notre Dame when you come to the Midwest. We have 40 people in our Generation Dean chapter - the most in the state of Indiana. We'd love to have you guys here!!
Alli at Notre Dame
You guys should definitely stop by Notre Dame when you come to the Midwest. We have 40 people in our Generation Dean chapter - the most in the state of Indiana. We'd love to have you guys here!!
Alli at Notre Dame
Have you all seen this? It regards the campaign finance issue and something Dean said in NH yesterday or today. My apology if this has already been posted:
on the trail
"We'll See If It Happens"
Will Howard Dean do what he just said he would?
By Chris Suellentrop
Posted Thursday, Nov. 6, 2003, at 9:30 PM PT
NASHUA, N.H.The metaphor of choice for Howard Dean's Internet-fueled campaign is "open-source politics": a two-way campaign in which the supporters openly collaborate with the campaign to improve it, and in which the contributions of the "group mind" prove smarter than that of any lone individual.
Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi has admitted on numerous occasions (including this Slashdot post) that his time in Silicon Valley affected his thinking about politics. "I used to work for a little while for Progeny Linux Systems," Trippi told cyber-guru Lawrence Lessig in an August interview. "I always wondered how could you take that same collaboration that occurs in Linux and open source and apply it here. What would happen if there were a way to do that and engage everybody in a presidential campaign?"
But tonight, at the end of a town hall meeting at Daniel Webster College, is the first time I've seen the metaphor in action. Even if it had nothing to do with the Internet.
At the end of tonight's event, Paul Johnson, an independent voter from Nashua who supported John McCain in 2000 and has supported Dean since May, tells Dean that he's "deeply troubled" by the idea that his candidate is going to turn down federal matching funds and bust the caps on campaign spending. Politics is awash in too much money, Johnson says. Why not take the moral high ground and abide by the current system? That sounds like a great idea until Bush spends $200 million, Dean says. Well, then "challenge him to spend less," Johnson replies. Tell him you'll stay under the spending limits if he does, too. Dean's face lights up. "I'll do that at the press conference on Saturday," he says. "That's a great idea." (Saturday at noon is when Dean is scheduled to announce the results of the campaign vote on whether to abandon public financing.)
I walk over to Dean's New Hampshire press secretary, Matthew Gardner, and tell him his candidate just agreed, in an instant, to announce on Saturday that he'll stay under the federal spending caps for publicly financed candidates, if President Bush agrees to do the same (which, admittedly, is more than a little unlikely.) Gardner looks puzzled, then laughs. "That'll be interesting," he says. "We'll see if it happens."
Chris Suellentrop is Slate's deputy Washington bureau chief. You can e-mail him at suellentrop@slate.com.
Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2090927/
on the trail
"We'll See If It Happens"
Will Howard Dean do what he just said he would?
By Chris Suellentrop
Posted Thursday, Nov. 6, 2003, at 9:30 PM PT
NASHUA, N.H.The metaphor of choice for Howard Dean's Internet-fueled campaign is "open-source politics": a two-way campaign in which the supporters openly collaborate with the campaign to improve it, and in which the contributions of the "group mind" prove smarter than that of any lone individual.
Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi has admitted on numerous occasions (including this Slashdot post) that his time in Silicon Valley affected his thinking about politics. "I used to work for a little while for Progeny Linux Systems," Trippi told cyber-guru Lawrence Lessig in an August interview. "I always wondered how could you take that same collaboration that occurs in Linux and open source and apply it here. What would happen if there were a way to do that and engage everybody in a presidential campaign?"
But tonight, at the end of a town hall meeting at Daniel Webster College, is the first time I've seen the metaphor in action. Even if it had nothing to do with the Internet.
At the end of tonight's event, Paul Johnson, an independent voter from Nashua who supported John McCain in 2000 and has supported Dean since May, tells Dean that he's "deeply troubled" by the idea that his candidate is going to turn down federal matching funds and bust the caps on campaign spending. Politics is awash in too much money, Johnson says. Why not take the moral high ground and abide by the current system? That sounds like a great idea until Bush spends $200 million, Dean says. Well, then "challenge him to spend less," Johnson replies. Tell him you'll stay under the spending limits if he does, too. Dean's face lights up. "I'll do that at the press conference on Saturday," he says. "That's a great idea." (Saturday at noon is when Dean is scheduled to announce the results of the campaign vote on whether to abandon public financing.)
I walk over to Dean's New Hampshire press secretary, Matthew Gardner, and tell him his candidate just agreed, in an instant, to announce on Saturday that he'll stay under the federal spending caps for publicly financed candidates, if President Bush agrees to do the same (which, admittedly, is more than a little unlikely.) Gardner looks puzzled, then laughs. "That'll be interesting," he says. "We'll see if it happens."
Chris Suellentrop is Slate's deputy Washington bureau chief. You can e-mail him at suellentrop@slate.com.
Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2090927/
Zephyr, if you have time, visit the Cadillac Ranch outdoor sculpture near Amarillo. Pretty neat!
I find it ironic (and moronic) that the guy who came in 500,000 votes short in 2000 now tries to lecture the Middle East on Democracy ... the soon to retire, GW Bush.
Hey Page, you're turning into a serious Dean Celebrity! The copper gate won't be big enough to hold you anymore! you go girl!
All you guys rock, keep up the good work and we'll win this thing, how can we not??
Jeff in Seattle
All you guys rock, keep up the good work and we'll win this thing, how can we not??
Jeff in Seattle
Re voting, it looks like I won't be able to despite the fact I've contributed about 10 times to the campaign (about 5 times under my old e-mail addy before I opted to "leave" in order to get DFA to send stuff to my current e-mail). Even thought today I got the call from Joe Trippi, I am not registered as a member in the data base. I've had several e-mails from Ballot help and was given a link that would not work, even cutting and pasting it.
Oh well, I still feel great about the campaign at this point as it looks like overwhelmingly that people will opt out so we can compete better with the pResident. And it looks real good for getting the union endoresments!!
GO DEAN!!!!!
Oh well, I still feel great about the campaign at this point as it looks like overwhelmingly that people will opt out so we can compete better with the pResident. And it looks real good for getting the union endoresments!!
GO DEAN!!!!!
OH MY GOD, YOU HAVE TO READ THIS(from today's Altercation):
But if you need a reason to hate Dubya, try this. Just when I thought the Indian Trust litigation could be put to bed for a while, last week the Administration does something so odious that many Republicans publicly expressed their dismay. To bring things up to date: the judge in the case ordered the Interior department to conduct an audit to determine just how much money it (admittedly) owes to individual Native Americans. The Administration slipped in a rider to a bill which prohibits Interior from doing this for up to a year. To imagine how heinous this is, imagine if Congress sent a bill to Ike saying we want you to ban the Justice Department from enforcing the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. And its probably unconstitutional.
It gets worse. You see, the appropriations committee tried something like this before but once the committee on Native affairs caught wind it was dropped. So this time the appropriations committee sprung it during the house-senate reconciliation for....the bill to increase funds to fight the fires raging in California! Congress was forced to pick between delaying those funds or swallowing the rider (giving cover to many who voted for it, though it was a close vote in the House anyway). As John McCain and Tom Daschele said, if it was any minority but Native Americans this would never have happened.
But if you need a reason to hate Dubya, try this. Just when I thought the Indian Trust litigation could be put to bed for a while, last week the Administration does something so odious that many Republicans publicly expressed their dismay. To bring things up to date: the judge in the case ordered the Interior department to conduct an audit to determine just how much money it (admittedly) owes to individual Native Americans. The Administration slipped in a rider to a bill which prohibits Interior from doing this for up to a year. To imagine how heinous this is, imagine if Congress sent a bill to Ike saying we want you to ban the Justice Department from enforcing the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. And its probably unconstitutional.
It gets worse. You see, the appropriations committee tried something like this before but once the committee on Native affairs caught wind it was dropped. So this time the appropriations committee sprung it during the house-senate reconciliation for....the bill to increase funds to fight the fires raging in California! Congress was forced to pick between delaying those funds or swallowing the rider (giving cover to many who voted for it, though it was a close vote in the House anyway). As John McCain and Tom Daschele said, if it was any minority but Native Americans this would never have happened.
OH MY GOD, YOU HAVE TO READ THIS (from today's Altercation):
" But if you need a reason to hate Dubya, try this. Just when I thought the Indian Trust litigation could be put to bed for a while, last week the Administration does something so odious that many Republicans publicly expressed their dismay. To bring things up to date: the judge in the case ordered the Interior department to conduct an audit to determine just how much money it (admittedly) owes to individual Native Americans. The Administration slipped in a rider to a bill which prohibits Interior from doing this for up to a year. To imagine how heinous this is, imagine if Congress sent a bill to Ike saying we want you to ban the Justice Department from enforcing the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. And its probably unconstitutional.
It gets worse. You see, the appropriations committee tried something like this before but once the committee on Native affairs caught wind it was dropped. So this time the appropriations committee sprung it during the house-senate reconciliation for....the bill to increase funds to fight the fires raging in California! Congress was forced to pick between delaying those funds or swallowing the rider (giving cover to many who voted for it, though it was a close vote in the House anyway). As John McCain and Tom Daschele said, if it was any minority but Native Americans this would never have happened."
" But if you need a reason to hate Dubya, try this. Just when I thought the Indian Trust litigation could be put to bed for a while, last week the Administration does something so odious that many Republicans publicly expressed their dismay. To bring things up to date: the judge in the case ordered the Interior department to conduct an audit to determine just how much money it (admittedly) owes to individual Native Americans. The Administration slipped in a rider to a bill which prohibits Interior from doing this for up to a year. To imagine how heinous this is, imagine if Congress sent a bill to Ike saying we want you to ban the Justice Department from enforcing the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. And its probably unconstitutional.
It gets worse. You see, the appropriations committee tried something like this before but once the committee on Native affairs caught wind it was dropped. So this time the appropriations committee sprung it during the house-senate reconciliation for....the bill to increase funds to fight the fires raging in California! Congress was forced to pick between delaying those funds or swallowing the rider (giving cover to many who voted for it, though it was a close vote in the House anyway). As John McCain and Tom Daschele said, if it was any minority but Native Americans this would never have happened."
I was just watching Crossfire and a Republican advisor said that Kerry was the Democratic candidate they had feared the most. He made it sound like the Republicans are salivating over a Dean nomination. They should be careful about what they wish for!
Also, Nader has apparently referred to Dean as "McGovern on steroids" and says he won't deliver if he gets into the White House. I used to respect Nader, but now I just wish he'd shut up.
I mean, he's been complaining about corporate influence within our government for years, and now that there is finally a Democratic candidate who is running a grassroots campaign against that very thing, he has to criticize him. Go away, Ralph--we don't need you helping Bush again.
Also, Nader has apparently referred to Dean as "McGovern on steroids" and says he won't deliver if he gets into the White House. I used to respect Nader, but now I just wish he'd shut up.
I mean, he's been complaining about corporate influence within our government for years, and now that there is finally a Democratic candidate who is running a grassroots campaign against that very thing, he has to criticize him. Go away, Ralph--we don't need you helping Bush again.
Matthew Taylor:
"On a local level, here in San Francisco, introduction of IRV was approved by election, only to be bungled by a thorougly corrupt local government."
- I think you just answered your own question????
"On a local level, here in San Francisco, introduction of IRV was approved by election, only to be bungled by a thorougly corrupt local government."
- I think you just answered your own question????
A while back someone mentioned Dean DVD's that they were making and selling for about a $1. Does anyone remember this or have more info on it? Was it for real? At our last meet-up a local shopowner showed up and he wants to sell them at cost in his store. We thought this would be great for local publicity . . .
Posted by woodstock mom at November 7, 2003 04:56 PM
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here is a copy of that initial blog entry...
Greetings fellow Howard Dean supporter,
My name is Jon Felson, I'm a Dean supporter in Los Angeles. Five months ago, a group of "grassroots" volunteers embarked on creating a "high end" interactive DVD to support Governor Dean's bid for the
Presidency -- the idea being, "you need to see Howard Dean to get Howard Dean!" With the help of at least twenty entertainment industry professionals we completed the project.
The DVD includes:
A rousing two minute forced introduction (highlights from his speeches) set to an original score.
Five complete speeches (some with multi-camera angles) including his Vermont announcement address (without the Nader sign)An interactive "issues" page, that allows you to navigate to hear comments on any number of subjects. A "Join the Fight!" page that connects you to the campaign. All of the speeches have been digitally color corrected with sweetened
audio from Digital Betacam masters. The DVD is packaged in a self-contained mailer that can be shipped anywhere in the United States for .60 cents.
The mailer includes a perforated postcard pre-addressed to the campaign in Vermont.
HTML links are included on the disk.
The DVD is glass mastered/mass produced and will play on 98% of computers and DVD players.
This venture is not for profit and not affiliated with Dean for America.
Our costs are $1.40 cents for DVD duplication, printing and processing, plus $.60 cents for shipping and handling, for a total of $2.00 per unit. Again, if we were in this to make money, we'd be broke by now.
The idea is to get this powerful tool in the hands of every grassroots volunteer. To that end, the DVD is without copy protection and we encourage Dean supporters to burn as many DVD-R's as they'd like -- to
"raise the roots!"
We're hoping that regional organizers will order quantities of the DVD for distribution at MeetUp's and other volunteer events.
If you're interested, please return this e-mail.
Online ordering will be available soon via a link at www.lafordean.org.
Best Regards,
--
Jon Felson
(310) 314-6306
stone.soup@verizon.net
Posted by woodstock mom at November 7, 2003 04:56 PM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
here is a copy of that initial blog entry...
Greetings fellow Howard Dean supporter,
My name is Jon Felson, I'm a Dean supporter in Los Angeles. Five months ago, a group of "grassroots" volunteers embarked on creating a "high end" interactive DVD to support Governor Dean's bid for the
Presidency -- the idea being, "you need to see Howard Dean to get Howard Dean!" With the help of at least twenty entertainment industry professionals we completed the project.
The DVD includes:
A rousing two minute forced introduction (highlights from his speeches) set to an original score.
Five complete speeches (some with multi-camera angles) including his Vermont announcement address (without the Nader sign)An interactive "issues" page, that allows you to navigate to hear comments on any number of subjects. A "Join the Fight!" page that connects you to the campaign. All of the speeches have been digitally color corrected with sweetened
audio from Digital Betacam masters. The DVD is packaged in a self-contained mailer that can be shipped anywhere in the United States for .60 cents.
The mailer includes a perforated postcard pre-addressed to the campaign in Vermont.
HTML links are included on the disk.
The DVD is glass mastered/mass produced and will play on 98% of computers and DVD players.
This venture is not for profit and not affiliated with Dean for America.
Our costs are $1.40 cents for DVD duplication, printing and processing, plus $.60 cents for shipping and handling, for a total of $2.00 per unit. Again, if we were in this to make money, we'd be broke by now.
The idea is to get this powerful tool in the hands of every grassroots volunteer. To that end, the DVD is without copy protection and we encourage Dean supporters to burn as many DVD-R's as they'd like -- to
"raise the roots!"
We're hoping that regional organizers will order quantities of the DVD for distribution at MeetUp's and other volunteer events.
If you're interested, please return this e-mail.
Online ordering will be available soon via a link at www.lafordean.org.
Best Regards,
--
Jon Felson
(310) 314-6306
stone.soup@verizon.net
Yeah, Nader ... who likes to joke about how he really wanted George Bush to win all along. What a loser.
From my friend's website.....
"If Dean really wants to be president, here is all he has to do: Forget about raising more money, do what Junior absolutely will not. Visit injured soldiers in every hospital, go to every funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq. He will get free press coverage, and shame the White House beyond any advertising he could possibly buy. Simple. Cheap. Effective. Not to mention honorable (a word Junior wouldn't even know)."
Hey, Campaign people!!!!!
"If Dean really wants to be president, here is all he has to do: Forget about raising more money, do what Junior absolutely will not. Visit injured soldiers in every hospital, go to every funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq. He will get free press coverage, and shame the White House beyond any advertising he could possibly buy. Simple. Cheap. Effective. Not to mention honorable (a word Junior wouldn't even know)."
Hey, Campaign people!!!!!
Citlalli:
Don't want to be too critical here, but please quit posting the link to the fonts that look like "real" writing. (I've noticed several posts from you on this in the last few days).
You probably have the best of intentions but anyone can tell the difference between computer-printed and hand-written letters - printed is just too uniform.
People in IA & NH are being flooded with mailings right now & the point of the hand-written letters is to stand out from the crowd & add a personal touch. Most candidates use those types of fonts already in their mailings.
Maybe it's still better people get a letter like that, but it still looks like a form letter and is less personal, less likely to be read. One hand-written would probably be better than 10 printed.
Don't want to be too critical here, but please quit posting the link to the fonts that look like "real" writing. (I've noticed several posts from you on this in the last few days).
You probably have the best of intentions but anyone can tell the difference between computer-printed and hand-written letters - printed is just too uniform.
People in IA & NH are being flooded with mailings right now & the point of the hand-written letters is to stand out from the crowd & add a personal touch. Most candidates use those types of fonts already in their mailings.
Maybe it's still better people get a letter like that, but it still looks like a form letter and is less personal, less likely to be read. One hand-written would probably be better than 10 printed.
Joby:
Someone sneaked a letter to me from the Wis GOP party awhile ago, telling its members not to underestimate Dean.
I know what follows is long, but this is good ammo off of a Take Back America email:
The Bush Administration's Snow Job on the Economy
Despite the Cheerleading, the Bush Tax Breaks for Millionaires are a Proven Failure
The Bush economic cheerleading squad is in motion - claiming that their tax breaks created jobs last month and the remarkable 7.2% economic growth reported last quarter.
To sell their budget-busting tax breaks for millionaires, George Bush promised 5.5 million new jobs. Then last month, Treasury Secretary John Snow "boldly" promised that they would generate 2 million new jobs before the next election (less than the Bush administration said the economy would create with no tax breaks at all). An archetypal snow job. But look behind the pom poms to find the real results of Bush economic policies: pink slips and broken promises.
A reality check, by the numbers:
(October) Average monthly new jobs projected by Bush admin 200,000
(February) Average monthly new jobs economy would generate without 228,333
tax cuts as estimated by Bush admin.
(February) Average monthly new jobs promised from tax breaks 306,000
Number of new jobs Bush promised, June through October .. 1,224,000
Number of new jobs Bush actually produced, June through October . 229,000
Shortfall below projection 995,000
Number of jobs lost to date since Bush took office 2.43 million jobs lost
(October) Bush admin. projection of new jobs created by end of 2004 . 2.0 million
(October) Bush admin. projection of net new jobs created by end of 2004 430,000 jobs lost
Last president to lose jobs during entire first term Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
Job creation, Bill Clinton, 8 years 22.4 million new jobs
Bush admin. own estimate of jobs creation after 4 years . 430,000 jobs lost
US Manufacturing jobs lost 1979 2000, 21 years .. 2.4 million
US Manufacturing jobs lost since Bush took office, 2 years, 10 months 2.56 million
Budget surplus 2001, when Bush took office + $127 Billion
Bush estimate of Budget deficit FY 2003 . - $401 billion
Average annual tax cut Bush promised to Americans .. $1000
Average tax cut actually received by 65 million Americans $19
Average tax cut actually received by top 1% $28,414
Dollars short of Bush promise in his Leave No Child Behind act . $9.4 billion short
Amount federal spending on public schools, two years $59 billion
Amount federal spending for Iraq, Afghanistan two years $166 billion
Decrease, medium household income, last two years $1,439
Annual minimum wage earnings for full time worker $10,712
Vice President Dick Cheney annual salary from government $192,600
2001 Halliburton payments to Vice President Cheney (yearly) $205,298
Value of no bid contracts awarded to Halliburton in Iraq .. $948 million
Someone sneaked a letter to me from the Wis GOP party awhile ago, telling its members not to underestimate Dean.
I know what follows is long, but this is good ammo off of a Take Back America email:
The Bush Administration's Snow Job on the Economy
Despite the Cheerleading, the Bush Tax Breaks for Millionaires are a Proven Failure
The Bush economic cheerleading squad is in motion - claiming that their tax breaks created jobs last month and the remarkable 7.2% economic growth reported last quarter.
To sell their budget-busting tax breaks for millionaires, George Bush promised 5.5 million new jobs. Then last month, Treasury Secretary John Snow "boldly" promised that they would generate 2 million new jobs before the next election (less than the Bush administration said the economy would create with no tax breaks at all). An archetypal snow job. But look behind the pom poms to find the real results of Bush economic policies: pink slips and broken promises.
A reality check, by the numbers:
(October) Average monthly new jobs projected by Bush admin 200,000
(February) Average monthly new jobs economy would generate without 228,333
tax cuts as estimated by Bush admin.
(February) Average monthly new jobs promised from tax breaks 306,000
Number of new jobs Bush promised, June through October .. 1,224,000
Number of new jobs Bush actually produced, June through October . 229,000
Shortfall below projection 995,000
Number of jobs lost to date since Bush took office 2.43 million jobs lost
(October) Bush admin. projection of new jobs created by end of 2004 . 2.0 million
(October) Bush admin. projection of net new jobs created by end of 2004 430,000 jobs lost
Last president to lose jobs during entire first term Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)
Job creation, Bill Clinton, 8 years 22.4 million new jobs
Bush admin. own estimate of jobs creation after 4 years . 430,000 jobs lost
US Manufacturing jobs lost 1979 2000, 21 years .. 2.4 million
US Manufacturing jobs lost since Bush took office, 2 years, 10 months 2.56 million
Budget surplus 2001, when Bush took office + $127 Billion
Bush estimate of Budget deficit FY 2003 . - $401 billion
Average annual tax cut Bush promised to Americans .. $1000
Average tax cut actually received by 65 million Americans $19
Average tax cut actually received by top 1% $28,414
Dollars short of Bush promise in his Leave No Child Behind act . $9.4 billion short
Amount federal spending on public schools, two years $59 billion
Amount federal spending for Iraq, Afghanistan two years $166 billion
Decrease, medium household income, last two years $1,439
Annual minimum wage earnings for full time worker $10,712
Vice President Dick Cheney annual salary from government $192,600
2001 Halliburton payments to Vice President Cheney (yearly) $205,298
Value of no bid contracts awarded to Halliburton in Iraq .. $948 million
Beth,
Unfortunately, some would view that as trying to capitalize on troop deaths to get votes.
Unfortunately, some would view that as trying to capitalize on troop deaths to get votes.
To Matthew Tayor:
Your idea is good, probably. The system could really be improved. But one of the things I love about Dr. Dean is that he is not an idealogue. My assessment of him is that he is a pragmatist, and a coalition builder. Idealogues can be very dangerous people when they come to power. Look at the current administration. I really don't believe the current pres. has any but the best of intentions, but, as my mother was fond of saying, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. What I'm getting around to is that Dr. Dean will start with the system we have and just keep doing the next right thing to make things better, which is really how life works. I will, however, visualize along with you a future for the USA in which we come up with a system that is less polarizing.
Your idea is good, probably. The system could really be improved. But one of the things I love about Dr. Dean is that he is not an idealogue. My assessment of him is that he is a pragmatist, and a coalition builder. Idealogues can be very dangerous people when they come to power. Look at the current administration. I really don't believe the current pres. has any but the best of intentions, but, as my mother was fond of saying, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. What I'm getting around to is that Dr. Dean will start with the system we have and just keep doing the next right thing to make things better, which is really how life works. I will, however, visualize along with you a future for the USA in which we come up with a system that is less polarizing.
anamericanabroad,
I think Geppy was "most feared" before it became apparent where the union support is going.
Their game is so transparent it's laughable.
I think Geppy was "most feared" before it became apparent where the union support is going.
Their game is so transparent it's laughable.
Wait a minute... I thought Gephardt was the one they feared most. Oops - that was last week.
Keep trying boys... nothing you say now is gonna stick.
Keep trying boys... nothing you say now is gonna stick.
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There was a SUPER interview with voters in Pennsylvania (Lehigh County) on NPR's All Things Considered (I always listen to NPR when drinking my latte and driving through New England in my Volvo, you know).. it will be online in a few hours, select "Listen to Individual Stories" for Friday at http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/
Some issues mentioned -
* mistrust of big business, jobs moving overseas
* image of US abroad, losing our allies
* spending $87 billion on Iraq, no funds for programs at home
* "tax cuts" given out while local/state/business taxes skyrocket
But the attitude that many had (basic common sense, from my perspective) as regards President Bush struck me too.. a sense of unease and a discontent with the economy, the war, etc., but not a lot of outright anger at Bush himself; many seem sure he is trying to do the right thing. What this says to me is that we don't have to make people angry at Bush to get them to vote for Dean, vote Democrat - talking about positive change is what will win.
Basically I got this sense of "things are not going well, but we respect the President" - so criticizing his *policies* has to be done without provoking this backlash of "Democrats are always bashing the President" which only translates into a negative view of Democrats. Anyone else worry about this? I read the DNC blog (called Kicking Ass!) and there is little positive news, only criticism of Bush, and while it is accurate, it also isn't going to appeal to anyone not already convinced.. Of course, I also think this campaign's strength is in delivering a positive message, and wanted to emphasize that.
Oh yeah, and I don't care who the Republicans salivate over running against, making decisions and defining a campaign based on what the opponent thinks sounds like the first step in a losing strategy to me. I just ignore it.
Some issues mentioned -
* mistrust of big business, jobs moving overseas
* image of US abroad, losing our allies
* spending $87 billion on Iraq, no funds for programs at home
* "tax cuts" given out while local/state/business taxes skyrocket
But the attitude that many had (basic common sense, from my perspective) as regards President Bush struck me too.. a sense of unease and a discontent with the economy, the war, etc., but not a lot of outright anger at Bush himself; many seem sure he is trying to do the right thing. What this says to me is that we don't have to make people angry at Bush to get them to vote for Dean, vote Democrat - talking about positive change is what will win.
Basically I got this sense of "things are not going well, but we respect the President" - so criticizing his *policies* has to be done without provoking this backlash of "Democrats are always bashing the President" which only translates into a negative view of Democrats. Anyone else worry about this? I read the DNC blog (called Kicking Ass!) and there is little positive news, only criticism of Bush, and while it is accurate, it also isn't going to appeal to anyone not already convinced.. Of course, I also think this campaign's strength is in delivering a positive message, and wanted to emphasize that.
Oh yeah, and I don't care who the Republicans salivate over running against, making decisions and defining a campaign based on what the opponent thinks sounds like the first step in a losing strategy to me. I just ignore it.
Wayne,
All I know is that, if it were ME in a hospital revovering from war injuries...I'D want Dr Dean there with me. (Prior active duty here)
All I know is that, if it were ME in a hospital revovering from war injuries...I'D want Dr Dean there with me. (Prior active duty here)
Supporter (05:14 PM)
"Unidentified officials told the Washington Post the case apparently occurred under a secret presidential "finding" that allows the CIA to send suspects to other nations without due process to allow those countries to obtain information by torture." (click my name for the story)
How many other innocents have been treated this way and never made it out?
Has Dean made any statements on this? Anyone else have any ideas?
***************
Supporter, I wasn't able to open your article, but I'm familiar with the situation of Maher Arar, the Canadian engineer who was first detained at a stopover in New York when he was en route to his home in Canada.
Many Canadians are calling for an independent inquiry into this case, because there are concerns about just how much Canada did to protect and assist Mr. Arar when he was detained in the U..S. How hard did Canada press for Mr. Arar to be deported to Canada, his country of residence and citizenship, rather than being sent to Syria, the country where he was born?
We know that the RCMP approached Mr. Arar, but never followed up by seeking to question him. If the U.S. had questions, why wouldn't they arrange with the RCMP for them to question Mr. Arar -- rather than sending him to Syria?
The other evening, on the CBC radio program As It Happens, a spokesman from Human Rights Watch commented on the U.S. practice of "rendition" -- which means sending detained persons to other countries, many of which are well-known for their use of torture during interrogation.
The U.S. government has insisted that it only "renders" people to other countries if the government of that country gives a written assurance that it won't practice torture. The U.S. government claims that it opposes the use of torture and other forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.
The question that human rights activists have is whether this is a nudge-nudge-wink-wink situation, in which both the U.S. and the other country know that the person will be tortured during interrogation.
Apparently the justification for rendition is basically that the U.S. doesn't want detainees to be held in the United States, within all-too-easy reach of lawyers, courts, a constitution, human rights activists, and many people who think that the United States government should actually abide by U.S. law.
Here is what the Globe and Mail said this morning in an editorial:
"What makes this recourse to U.S. justice so frightening is that the United States appears to be contracting out some of its own security responsibilities to countries that use brutal means of interrogation, such as Jordon, Egypt, and Morocco. The Washington Post reported that 'fewer than 100' had been farmed out in this way. Was Canada involved in this contemptible and illegal practice, using the United States as a middleman? .... If Canada has ...scant ability to shield its citizens from the cruelty of its next-door neighbour, everyone needs to know."
As to what to do, Supporter, I think that the best way to work for peace, justice, and respect for human rights is to work for replacing the Bush Administration with the Dean Administration.
"Unidentified officials told the Washington Post the case apparently occurred under a secret presidential "finding" that allows the CIA to send suspects to other nations without due process to allow those countries to obtain information by torture." (click my name for the story)
How many other innocents have been treated this way and never made it out?
Has Dean made any statements on this? Anyone else have any ideas?
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Supporter, I wasn't able to open your article, but I'm familiar with the situation of Maher Arar, the Canadian engineer who was first detained at a stopover in New York when he was en route to his home in Canada.
Many Canadians are calling for an independent inquiry into this case, because there are concerns about just how much Canada did to protect and assist Mr. Arar when he was detained in the U..S. How hard did Canada press for Mr. Arar to be deported to Canada, his country of residence and citizenship, rather than being sent to Syria, the country where he was born?
We know that the RCMP approached Mr. Arar, but never followed up by seeking to question him. If the U.S. had questions, why wouldn't they arrange with the RCMP for them to question Mr. Arar -- rather than sending him to Syria?
The other evening, on the CBC radio program As It Happens, a spokesman from Human Rights Watch commented on the U.S. practice of "rendition" -- which means sending detained persons to other countries, many of which are well-known for their use of torture during interrogation.
The U.S. government has insisted that it only "renders" people to other countries if the government of that country gives a written assurance that it won't practice torture. The U.S. government claims that it opposes the use of torture and other forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.
The question that human rights activists have is whether this is a nudge-nudge-wink-wink situation, in which both the U.S. and the other country know that the person will be tortured during interrogation.
Apparently the justification for rendition is basically that the U.S. doesn't want detainees to be held in the United States, within all-too-easy reach of lawyers, courts, a constitution, human rights activists, and many people who think that the United States government should actually abide by U.S. law.
Here is what the Globe and Mail said this morning in an editorial:
"What makes this recourse to U.S. justice so frightening is that the United States appears to be contracting out some of its own security responsibilities to countries that use brutal means of interrogation, such as Jordon, Egypt, and Morocco. The Washington Post reported that 'fewer than 100' had been farmed out in this way. Was Canada involved in this contemptible and illegal practice, using the United States as a middleman? .... If Canada has ...scant ability to shield its citizens from the cruelty of its next-door neighbour, everyone needs to know."
As to what to do, Supporter, I think that the best way to work for peace, justice, and respect for human rights is to work for replacing the Bush Administration with the Dean Administration.
Beth:
IMHO it would appear to be media pandering. While I agree Dean should visit with our injured troops, I cringe at the thought of a tag along media taking snapshots. Let him visit without promotion. (Clark today had media focus on his visit of a family of one killed in action.)As for attending funerals (something Bush has not done), some family members might find offense as Dean was so outspoken against the war.
IMHO it would appear to be media pandering. While I agree Dean should visit with our injured troops, I cringe at the thought of a tag along media taking snapshots. Let him visit without promotion. (Clark today had media focus on his visit of a family of one killed in action.)As for attending funerals (something Bush has not done), some family members might find offense as Dean was so outspoken against the war.
Oh, and my idea is - visiting troops will def. be seen right off as 'politicizing' the issue and cannot be done, and shouldn't be as it puts military in an awkward situation when they have enough to worry about these days.
What could be done & should be - without mentioning Bush directly even! - is saying, as President, Dean would restore such and such benefits for troops/veterans, make sure treatment was available immediately, restore pay cuts, etc. Just say what Dean would do on a few key funding issues and that will be clear enough.
What could be done & should be - without mentioning Bush directly even! - is saying, as President, Dean would restore such and such benefits for troops/veterans, make sure treatment was available immediately, restore pay cuts, etc. Just say what Dean would do on a few key funding issues and that will be clear enough.
You are right on, daria g. A POSITIVE agenda is what's going to beat Bush. Attacks are good for those of us who strongly dislike Bush, but many Americans who are unhappy with the way things are going don't blame Bush personally. That's why his approval rating has remained okay (above 50%) even with so much bad news happening.
Had dinner last night with some friends. This quote came up that I thought I would share with you all.
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Sound familiar?
And here is a link if you want to read more about its context.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
Sound familiar?
And here is a link if you want to read more about its context.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm
I saw someone posted information about the "Project for a New American Century" before. I am going to ask ABC and Nightline to update this story and re-run it. I think the American people need to know that attacking Iraq was a foregone conclusion that had nothing to do with WMD. If you agree, please drop Nightline a note and ask them to update the story.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html
Would you mind pointing me to the coverage of Clark's visit? Was he invited by the family? I wonder about that. On one hand I do not doubt it was done with all respect and as a General he already has ties to anyone in the military of course, but on the other hand, bringing media along is.. hmm.. odd.
The guy on Crossfire did mention Gephardt's name, but said Kerry was the one the Repubs had feared until his campaign started sinking.
At the end of the show, the words "BYE BYE HOWIE" were shown at the bottom of the screen. Either Novak and the Repubs are seriously underestimating Dean (big mistake) or they are using reverse psychology because they truly fear him.
I think it's the latter.
Thanks KR in Wis for the GOP memo info. It's what I've suspected all along!
At the end of the show, the words "BYE BYE HOWIE" were shown at the bottom of the screen. Either Novak and the Repubs are seriously underestimating Dean (big mistake) or they are using reverse psychology because they truly fear him.
I think it's the latter.
Thanks KR in Wis for the GOP memo info. It's what I've suspected all along!
Kerry most feared? I thought it was Clark. These guys need to get their stories straight.
McCarthy, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, (?)Dean(?)
"Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Appreciate your enthusiasm, and don't want to be a troll, but guys, come on, consider the Southerners....Edwards, CLARK.
"Insanity. Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Appreciate your enthusiasm, and don't want to be a troll, but guys, come on, consider the Southerners....Edwards, CLARK.
When you get depressed about GOP elation over the "smoking" employment numbers, remember parents with low paying jobs or no jobs can't feed their kids on GOP optimism, send their kids to college on GOP optimism, pay their mortages on GOP optimism or make car payments on GOP optimism.
Trust this. If we keep hammering the idea of "what has the GOP ever done for you" angle we might crack into those NASCAR dads. BTW, you can't go to a NASCAR race on GOP optimism.
Trust this. If we keep hammering the idea of "what has the GOP ever done for you" angle we might crack into those NASCAR dads. BTW, you can't go to a NASCAR race on GOP optimism.
Signing off--headed for some Friday night socializing. Will be wearing my Dean button as I cruise through the Golden Ghetto in my shiny new Volvo!
To Leah:
Where did you see that info on the Indian Trust Fund? I am Dean Flyering at a Native American event on the Washington, DC Mall, and would LOVE to print this story out and show the Native Americans what shrub is all about.
Where did you see that info on the Indian Trust Fund? I am Dean Flyering at a Native American event on the Washington, DC Mall, and would LOVE to print this story out and show the Native Americans what shrub is all about.
RE: Crossfire
What Vin Weber said (the GOP spinmeister) was that Kerry HAD been the most feared opposition, but that his campaign had tanked. Really - he always eats what he kills, and his justification for quail hunting was because in this economy,he just wanted to put meat on the table! Hm, with ketchup?
Don in VT
What Vin Weber said (the GOP spinmeister) was that Kerry HAD been the most feared opposition, but that his campaign had tanked. Really - he always eats what he kills, and his justification for quail hunting was because in this economy,he just wanted to put meat on the table! Hm, with ketchup?
Don in VT
> Appreciate your enthusiasm, and don't want to be a troll, ...
Then don't be.
And whoever said that I -- born and raised in Alabama and Georgia -- haven't considered other candidates and how they may play in the South before throwing in for Dean? Or were you trying to insinuate that I'm shallow and/or stupid?
Oh, and btw...
http://www.trolls4dean.com
Take yourself elsewhere before you pour even more money into Dean's coffers.
Then don't be.
And whoever said that I -- born and raised in Alabama and Georgia -- haven't considered other candidates and how they may play in the South before throwing in for Dean? Or were you trying to insinuate that I'm shallow and/or stupid?
Oh, and btw...
http://www.trolls4dean.com
Take yourself elsewhere before you pour even more money into Dean's coffers.
Deaniacs---Foodie, of Foodies for Dean, was interviewed by an AP reporter this afternoon who is doing a piece on "interesting groups" associated with the Dem campaigns. Don't know when it will run as yet.
Eat well! Off to a potluck for Dean vols in Albuquerque, bearing cauliflower with VERMONT cheddar cheese sauce, topped with sauteed garlic, green and red peppers, and, of course, green chiles. Yes, driving the '83 Volvo...
Eat well! Off to a potluck for Dean vols in Albuquerque, bearing cauliflower with VERMONT cheddar cheese sauce, topped with sauteed garlic, green and red peppers, and, of course, green chiles. Yes, driving the '83 Volvo...
About the DC Primary:
I think that would leave only Dean and Sharpton, (Sharpton filed papers a few days ago announcing he WILL be in the primary).
Anybody know about the others?
I think that would leave only Dean and Sharpton, (Sharpton filed papers a few days ago announcing he WILL be in the primary).
Anybody know about the others?
Going to a funeral would be seen as highly politicizing unless Dr. Dean was invited by the family. If he were, who could criticize him? Provided, of course, he treated the situation with the appropriate decorum.
On "most feared" - I think a lot of pundits on the right look at how the candidate has been protrayed in the press (as too far left) and make the mistake of believing that characterization is accurate, or at least will continue (truth be damned.)
The smart ones fear Dean, not just because of Dean alone, but because of his organization.
On "most feared" - I think a lot of pundits on the right look at how the candidate has been protrayed in the press (as too far left) and make the mistake of believing that characterization is accurate, or at least will continue (truth be damned.)
The smart ones fear Dean, not just because of Dean alone, but because of his organization.
Patience...
that is a cool map!!
I am constantly amazed by what is going on behind the scenes...
we could write a book..
I heard Bye Bye Bush say something about it...
someone needs to get on that...
Drive for Democracy could be the title for it, and it could contain all of us Driving for Democracy- any way we can!!
that is a cool map!!
I am constantly amazed by what is going on behind the scenes...
we could write a book..
I heard Bye Bye Bush say something about it...
someone needs to get on that...
Drive for Democracy could be the title for it, and it could contain all of us Driving for Democracy- any way we can!!
Even if the Republicans really do want to run against Dean, who cares? A year before the '80 election the Carter people wanted to run against Reagan instead of the more "establishment" candidates like Bush Sr, Robert Dole or Howard Baker because they thought he'd be easier to beat. Enough said.
Two thoughts:
While Dean should not attend a funeral uninvited, he can as a doctor visit wounded soldiers. These folks are being so neglected--and they have horrible injuries.
But I also agree that Dean should NEVER bash Bush personally. As much as I hate him, just hate him, a lot of people think he's a "really nice guy." I thought it was brilliant this summer when Dean said how much he liked him! Real martial arts move. Like the poor idiot and attack Cheney, Rummie, Ashcroft and the gang. I hope Dean listens to this. I think it's really important.
While Dean should not attend a funeral uninvited, he can as a doctor visit wounded soldiers. These folks are being so neglected--and they have horrible injuries.
But I also agree that Dean should NEVER bash Bush personally. As much as I hate him, just hate him, a lot of people think he's a "really nice guy." I thought it was brilliant this summer when Dean said how much he liked him! Real martial arts move. Like the poor idiot and attack Cheney, Rummie, Ashcroft and the gang. I hope Dean listens to this. I think it's really important.
Hey Byron.
I've listened to both Edwards and Clark, and they would both be better than Bush, but at this point wet linolium would be better than Bush. But I couldn't really support either of them as my first choice, and here's why:
Edwards is only a one-term Senator, with no foreign policy experience. He strikes me as a very traditionalist candidate and supported the stoopid war. Also, I don't think he'd mount as strong a defense against the Religious Right as Dean could, being a "One Nation Under God" type. I like my church and state separate, thank you very much. He's not doing so well in the polls. Would he shake up the Democratic Establishment, much less be able to beat Bush? I doubt it seriously. Bush would glom onto his "Rich Trial Lawyer" neck and wring it for all he was worth.
You understand, I don't mind that he's a rich trial lawyer, but look at where his campaign got its money...very little of it comes from small donors, and yes, that does matter.
Clark is another matter.
Foreign policy experience, although somewhat controversial, and no domestic experience. Nowhere in the early polls. Either did or did not support the war. I dunno, what day is it? As an outsider, may be able to shake up the status quo, but with the Clinton-tinged DLC backing him, I'm skeptical.
And lastly, frankly, I'm sick of the militarism running rampant through this country, and although Clark doesn't strike me as a strutting Martinet, I like Dean's civilian pedigree much better.
So, sorry, but no sell. Dean's the right man, in the right place, at the right time.
Or have I missed something?
I've listened to both Edwards and Clark, and they would both be better than Bush, but at this point wet linolium would be better than Bush. But I couldn't really support either of them as my first choice, and here's why:
Edwards is only a one-term Senator, with no foreign policy experience. He strikes me as a very traditionalist candidate and supported the stoopid war. Also, I don't think he'd mount as strong a defense against the Religious Right as Dean could, being a "One Nation Under God" type. I like my church and state separate, thank you very much. He's not doing so well in the polls. Would he shake up the Democratic Establishment, much less be able to beat Bush? I doubt it seriously. Bush would glom onto his "Rich Trial Lawyer" neck and wring it for all he was worth.
You understand, I don't mind that he's a rich trial lawyer, but look at where his campaign got its money...very little of it comes from small donors, and yes, that does matter.
Clark is another matter.
Foreign policy experience, although somewhat controversial, and no domestic experience. Nowhere in the early polls. Either did or did not support the war. I dunno, what day is it? As an outsider, may be able to shake up the status quo, but with the Clinton-tinged DLC backing him, I'm skeptical.
And lastly, frankly, I'm sick of the militarism running rampant through this country, and although Clark doesn't strike me as a strutting Martinet, I like Dean's civilian pedigree much better.
So, sorry, but no sell. Dean's the right man, in the right place, at the right time.
Or have I missed something?
Bush might agree to limits on his own campaign spending, but what about other groups or organizations spending on his behalf?
Charles in San Francisco
Charles in San Francisco
Bush might have to give back half his money if he agreed to the limits.
He'll never do it, but it's a brilliant maneouver. Let's Dean off the hook and puts the blame where it belongs...on the shameless Republicans.
He'll never do it, but it's a brilliant maneouver. Let's Dean off the hook and puts the blame where it belongs...on the shameless Republicans.
Woo-hoo they're coming to Kentucky!!! Amazing! Now if we can just coax Dean himself to come down this way...
Sorry to disappoint you, but NM is KERRY COUNTRY!!!!
Just look at our operation and LONG list of HUGELY IMPORTANT SUPPORTERS.
Just look at our operation and LONG list of HUGELY IMPORTANT SUPPORTERS.
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